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Old 02-23-2012, 05:06 PM   #1
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Besides cost, what impact will the tunnel and waterfront have in Seattle?

I know everyone has an opinion about this new tunnel and the new Seattle waterfront, it sure looks pretty in the pictures I've seen! It seems the biggest complaint I keep reading about is the project cost and financial impact, but aside from that, are there really any other negatives that will come out of this in 10 years when its all done?

My hope is that the beautification of Seattle will increase, not just for tourists but for us Seattleites who live here too.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:14 PM   #2
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I'm worried about traffic issues. I would never take I-5 if it could ever be helped, always 99 or 1st Ave up through SoDo. I'm also going to miss the views from the Viaduct. The biggest problem will likely be the construction causing a lot of problems.

Personally, I don't like the tunnel idea because I do have a feeling that it will end up becoming our version of the Big Dig. Not to mention if the main concern about the Viaduct is how it would perform in another big earthquake and the safety issues, is digging a giant tunnel under the city really going to be that much better? I could see that being even more of a disaster in a worst case scenario than the Viaduct.

I might just still be bitter about the Monorail and how we have paid for it and nothing. Stuck taking the bus like a sucker.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:01 PM   #3
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I'm worried about traffic issues. I would never take I-5 if it could ever be helped, always 99 or 1st Ave up through SoDo. I'm also going to miss the views from the Viaduct. The biggest problem will likely be the construction causing a lot of problems.

Personally, I don't like the tunnel idea because I do have a feeling that it will end up becoming our version of the Big Dig. Not to mention if the main concern about the Viaduct is how it would perform in another big earthquake and the safety issues, is digging a giant tunnel under the city really going to be that much better? I could see that being even more of a disaster in a worst case scenario than the Viaduct.

I might just still be bitter about the Monorail and how we have paid for it and nothing. Stuck taking the bus like a sucker.
Outside of cost overruns, the Big Dig is largely considered a success and has helped transform Boston, for the better. These kinds of projects are not cheap. Reminds me of the pictures of Manhattan when they used the cut and fill method for building subways. Entire corridors were completely removed from the grid during construction, but the benefits have lasted generations.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:45 PM   #4
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Outside of cost overruns, the Big Dig is largely considered a success and has helped transform Boston, for the better. These kinds of projects are not cheap. Reminds me of the pictures of Manhattan when they used the cut and fill method for building subways. Entire corridors were completely removed from the grid during construction, but the benefits have lasted generations.
Well, maybe I am mistaken about it. I just remember several years back hearing about how the tunnel in Boston had some serious problems with leaking that resulted in a chunk of the top collapsing and landing on a car killing somebody.

But then, one time heading southbound on the Viaduct I was almost ran off of the road by a guy that looked like that bald FBI director guy from the X-Files weaving back and forth across all lanes because he was playing a trumpet in his car while he drove, so i guess there are risks with everything.
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Well, maybe I am mistaken about it. I just remember several years back hearing about how the tunnel in Boston had some serious problems with leaking that resulted in a chunk of the top collapsing and landing on a car killing somebody.

But then, one time heading southbound on the Viaduct I was almost ran off of the road by a guy that looked like that bald FBI director guy from the X-Files weaving back and forth across all lanes because he was playing a trumpet in his car while he drove, so i guess there are risks with everything.
No you are right, there have been structural issues.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:06 AM   #6
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No you are right, there have been structural issues.
Speak of the devil, I am watching King 5 from earlier just now, and they are doing a comparison to the Big Dig, and they mentioned that structural issue where a man got killed in 2006.

The new waterfront will be really nice, but I will still be skeptical until it is finished. Plus, I really just don't have that much faith in our city planners, but I hope it is all ok. I will miss the beautiful view from the Viaduct though.
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I admit to not being a big fan of the whole tunnel idea. Having a history of watching nearly every major construction project this city has ever done, and watching the HUGE cost over runs with almost all of them, I have very little confidence that this giant budget sucker will be any different.

Having said that, the artist's concept drawings of the final result look great and I am torn by how cool the new waterfront will look and how much identity the city has with the unmatched view driving either direction on the Viaduct.

You can't have progress without some pain, I guess. In the end, I'll miss the Viaduct for the view, but not for the street problems below it.
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I think it's important to recognize the opportunity cost that businesses will lose, specifically the businesses located near the construction area. 10 years is a long time for a business to have to endure these kinds of significant transitions.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:42 AM   #9
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Saw a news item this morning that will likely be the first of many: It seems that the original estimates of the revenue to be generated by the tolls was "overly optimistic", and the scenarios used to predict the cost factors may have been "too cautious".

Translation: This project is going to cost more (a lot more) than we were told, and take longer.

I hate to say "I told you so" but.....

Sigh.
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